Curse

draxynnic · Sep 26, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

And to the definately-not-a-moron that said he was going to "get his lawyer," I have a question: would you sue Axe Body Spray if you didn't have a throng of women hanging off you seconds after applying the stuff? You know, that's false advertising too.

From my understanding, one of the tests in false or misleading advertising cases is whether something is so obviously overexaggerated that a reasonable person would be able to pick that it's not actually the case.

Nadia Roark · Sep 26, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Well, yeah... my example was something of a slippery slope, but the threat was funny to me in an outrageous sort of way so I responded in kind

Mordakai · Sep 26, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Let's leave aside the silly talk of suing Anet, etc. How will suing Anet get you the quality armor you desire?

I propose a petition that asks Anet to make an Bonus Armor Pack available for $5 -$10.

This way everyone is happy: Anet gets more much needed money to develop what they really care about, GW2. And we get quality, not-reskinned armor sets. Win-win in my book.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 26, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

Its too bad that we have a plethora of reskins... and so few new skins.

Nadia Roark · Sep 26, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Let's leave aside the silly talk of suing Anet, etc. How will suing Anet get you the quality armor you desire?

I propose a petition that asks Anet to make an Bonus Armor Pack available for $5 -$10.

This way everyone is happy: Anet gets more much needed money to develop what they really care about, GW2. And we get quality, not-reskinned armor sets. Win-win in my book.

Yeah, actually, I think I'd spring for that. I'm not sure if the idea has occured to them, but here's to hoping someone over there is still following this thread. For $5 I'd probably expect one or two more sets for each class; for $10 I'd want three or more. Now the question is: Do you get the armor for paying the fee, or do you still have to farm materials and have it crafted in-game? I'd lean towards the latter, myself.

A11Eur0 · Sep 26, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

So...let's see here.

Complain about the reskins: check
Complain about the actual number of armor sets: check
say you'll pay MORE MONEY for actual new armor sets: check

WTF is going on here? You people say that Anet took our money and ran, we paid for something and didn't get it, now you propose to pay even MORE to get something we should have already gotten?

/NOTSIGNED for armor pack that I have to pay for.

Anet should do what they should have done: make the dwarven armor a set, and make new designs for Asuran and Monument. Period.

There's no leeway here: we paid for an expansion with 40 sets and got...10. Norn armor. Asuran: we already had. Monument: we already had. I want my 40 sets of armor, plzkthx

Nadia Roark · Sep 27, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

What about those of us who are content with the GWEN content as a whole but would still like to see more armors? I'm not going to judge GWEN solely on the quality of its armors (if I had done that to Nightfall I wouldn't have even bought the damn thing), and I'm not saying they "took my money and ran." I'm pretty happy with what I got, but more would still be neat.

The armor set "expansion" was proposed a whopping four posts ago (and, so far, has only been countenanced by you and myself) and suddenly "we people" are being hypocrites by saying ANet took our money and ran, while offering them more? Please at least try to pay attention here; it should be a novel experience.

You and many others really should settle down about this "40 Armor sets" thing. Guild Wars and other MMO's attempt to load themselves up with as much content as possible; focusing entirely on the armors and ignoring everything else just so you can bitch about them is myopic and mildly hilarious at the same time. If you're really buying GW expansions just for the armors, I would suggest finding a better use for your money.

And, once again (I can't resist!), anyone who's pissed about getting "ripped off" on GWEN armor reskins might do well to not rush to the online store next time to buy new expansions ASAP. If armor quality is your primary concern, wait until they get posted on wiki to decide if it's worth "grinding" for that armor or not. I'll grant that ANet could have done a better (i.e. "less lazy") job with some of these armor sets, but no one made you buy them. Product descriptions written by the company that created the product should always be taken with a grain of salt. Suck it up and quitcherbitchin.

Curse You · Sep 27, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

I wasn't aware they packaged two boxes. Can I see yours?

Apparently yes, since I bought the game in the Online Store and so the Guild Wars site is basically my box.

cthulhu reborn · Sep 27, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Just wondering...for all of those who feel ripped off.

How many of you were actually planning to get all 40 armours anyway?

A11Eur0 · Sep 27, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I was planning on getting armors for all 7 of my characters and having unique and interesting options to choose from...not just one set for each profession (norn) that doesn't even really look that good for most.

It doesn't matter if anyone was planning on getting all 40. What matters is there were supposed to be 40 new armors to choose from, not 10 and a few unmatched pieces elsewhere, and a bunch of overpriced time sink grind fest options that suck anyway.

If you were to buy a car that was advertised as being able to do 240 mph, but in real world testing in all situations that speed was unattainable... wouldn't you feel ripped off? Even if you never intended to drive it that fast? Sure that would be alot more money, but the example is valid.

I'll repeat myself: don't bitch about not getting what you paid for, then say you'll pay MORE for what you should have gotten in the first place.

Meat Axe · Sep 27, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

I've been thinking for awhile now that an armour expansion pack would be nice, and I'd happily pay for it. But there's one thing I want to see more than anything: making all the professions equal in terms of how many armours they can get. At the moment, warriors have two more armour sets than any other profession (I think. I know they had five elite armours available in Prophecies instead of four. Can't remember if any other profession got an extra set), whereas Dervishes and Paragons have barely any at all.

I'd like to see the older campaigns upgraded to have armours for Assassins, Ritualists, Dervishes and Paragons. I'd be willing to pay for that. Of course, just a general armour expansion, where every professions gets a couple of extra sets would be nice as well.

Also, I agree with Nadia. I'm really happy with EotN, so the money I paid was not wasted. The only things I was particularly displeased about was that the Charr Homelands were so small, and the final cutscene was kind of lame. But overall, I was happy. So yeah, I'd be glad for anything that would mean Anet gets the funds to make GW2 a truly great game and I get extra content for GW1 while I wait.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

If you were to buy a car that was advertised as being able to do 240 mph, but in real world testing in all situations that speed was unattainable... wouldn't you feel ripped off? Even if you never intended to drive it that fast? Sure that would be alot more money, but the example is valid.

I'll repeat myself: don't bitch about not getting what you paid for, then say you'll pay MORE for what you should have gotten in the first place.

Firsly, I would never buy a car solely based on how fast it can go. I buy something based on all the features, not just one specific feature. So, if I were looking to buy a car, and saw one that could do 240 mph, I would just turn away and look at something else. It's exactly like GW. I bought EotN for the game as a whole, and it means I'm not disappointed in the armours that are presented to us.

Secondly, just for the record, I never bitched about the armours, so I am well within my rights to say I'll pay more for extra content.

cthulhu reborn · Sep 27, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I was planning on getting armors for all 7 of my characters and having unique and interesting options to choose from...not just one set for each profession (norn) that doesn't even really look that good for most.

It doesn't matter if anyone was planning on getting all 40. What matters is there were supposed to be 40 new armors to choose from, not 10 and a few unmatched pieces elsewhere, and a bunch of overpriced time sink grind fest options that suck anyway.

If you were to buy a car that was advertised as being able to do 240 mph, but in real world testing in all situations that speed was unattainable... wouldn't you feel ripped off? Even if you never intended to drive it that fast? Sure that would be alot more money, but the example is valid.

I'll repeat myself: don't bitch about not getting what you paid for, then say you'll pay MORE for what you should have gotten in the first place.

Well you have norn, asuran and vanguard armours so that adds up to 30 armour sets that can be placed in the HoM.
Then there are the dwarven "sets" which are questionable as they are not a set and the one armour set there for warriors.
So there are at least 3 choices for each of your characters.

However, the dwarven armours are not great and I do have the problem that I do not like any of the mesmer, ritualist, monk or dervish sets (female versions all). So I certainly agree there's an issue when it comes to the GWEN armours...

I wonder if this thread would've come about though if the armours would've looked better overall.

A11Eur0 · Sep 27, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

You're not reading my post.

The Asuran and Vanguard items are reskins. The Norn sets are the only new redesigned sets. Convenient that the Norn title track was the only one available during the preview event so those who saw the new Norn armors elsewhere would think that all the new armors would be unique. The only prior images we've seen of any armors were fuzzy photographs of a faded out computer screen during a press conference.

Just because they go in the HOM doesn't mean diddly. I can get other armors that can go into the HOM that look just like them. I want something new, and Norn armor....eh I just don't feel it.

This thread wouldn't have come about if they weren't fkn reskins! It's been said that the reskins look better in some cases than the armors they ripped off...but that's not the point. The point is that the armors aren't "new". They're old stuff that's been fiddled around with in photoshop.

Meat Axe...I didn't ask if you would buy a car that could go 240 mph, I said what if you did. IF you were the kind of person to have the money to buy a car based off of its speed....and those people do exist...would you or would you not feel ripped off if that speed was unattainable? It's bragging rights: "I own the fastest proven production car in the world!" Someone comes up to you with a Motor Trend test saying that it's not entirely true...it's virtually impossible to get that specific car to that speed...it was determined based solely on math. YES you would be pissed off and feel jipped.

This is a more realistic, more attainable goal than a 240 mph car. It's cheaper, but it's also easier to create, as well as fix.

Sure, you look at the whole package. What else is in GWEN? Grind. Rehashed dungeons build off of templates. Grind. Higher level enemies that drop low level loot. Short (albeit excellent and well done) storyline. Grind. Some new titles to max (by grinding). Oh wait, can't max them yet because no Hard Mode. Reskins of weapons. HoM that is incomplete at best. Grind.

See a trend here? Compare prices: Nightfall = 1 year old, in-game store it's $50 usd. 2 new character slots, entirely brand new armor sets, 25 heroes, huge explorables, whole new storyline that's as long as prophecies. 2 new professions. Hundreds of new skills that are viable in PvE AND PvP, and are not grind-based (other than sunspear skills...of course..but that number is nowhere near the amount of PvE-only grind-based skills in GWEN.

GWEN: $40 usd. no new character slots. Storyline shorter than Factions, doable in a few hours if you're good. No new professions. One hero for each profession. Elites...from nightfall, uncappable for anyone without Nightfall. No new elites, at all, other than the PvE only blessings.

I've looked at the whole picture, and I see a half-finished money trap, and Anet is laughing at all of us. Sure you may be content with what you got...but judging from the number of rants on this and other boards...alot of people are not content.

It's been said before, time and time again.

freekedoutfish · Sep 27, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

Since we know that "dwarven" is not an armor set, we're at 31 armor sets.

That's Norn, Monument, and Asura for every class, and Silver Eagle for warriors.

I've looked everywhere, and I don't think I remember seeing where the other 9 armor sets are. Could anyone point me in the right direction? I don't think wiki is helping much.

I hate to correct you, but the drawfs do have an armor set! Check the wiki. We have Norn, Asuran, Vangaurd and Drawf armor. We also have the prestige armor and the warriors (unfair) 5th armor set available from the drwafs.

In essence we have 41 new armor sets + pretige armor!

If you want to complain, then complain as to why the warriors got a 5th set and no one else did (ok I know the excuse about Anet never getting the chance to add it in previous campaigns and really liking it, but im sure they had armor sets for other professions they really liked and never added too!).

As for this issue of re-skins! I agree, but we still got 41 new armors (even if most were re-hashes to one degree or another)!

Etta · Sep 27, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

^ I think because the dwarf's armor set cannot be place in the HoM, that's why some people don't consider them as a set. Personally I don't like any of them so I'm not bother, might get that Norm's black&white masks, though. Maybe a pair of dragon gauntlet as well.

Retribution X · Sep 27, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I hate to correct you, but the drawfs do have an armor set! Check the wiki. We have Norn, Asuran, Vangaurd and Drawf armor. We also have the prestige armor and the warriors (unfair) 5th armor set available from the drwafs.

According to Gaile, they don't. and they don't intend to add one either.

william1975 · Sep 27, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

If we did actually have 41 new armour sets, would everyone be complaing about false advertising because we got 1 more?

I think that the term armour set is very misleading anyway. What exactly can be counted as different armour sets? I would lean towards the more restrictive term, and say a set is that made by a particular group. For me there are 4, Monument, Norn, Asuran and Deldrimor, (though im not sure that i woudl count deldrimor when anet says it isnt a set).

A more generous interpretation is to say that armour sets are those availabel to the professions, which would give you 41, or 31, depending on the interpretation of what deldrimor armour is.

However you could be extremely overgenerous and say that any set is one that is different to any other, so you could split is among female and male as well doubling the available armour sets.

Personaly i dont care how many we got, i bought the game for different reasons, though the reskins does seem to be a bit lazy.

blue.rellik · Sep 27, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

You're not reading my post.

The Asuran and Vanguard items are reskins. The Norn sets are the only new redesigned sets. Convenient that the Norn title track was the only one available during the preview event so those who saw the new Norn armors elsewhere would think that all the new armors would be unique. The only prior images we've seen of any armors were fuzzy photographs of a faded out computer screen during a press conference.

Just because they go in the HOM doesn't mean diddly. I can get other armors that can go into the HOM that look just like them. I want something new, and Norn armor....eh I just don't feel it.

This thread wouldn't have come about if they weren't fkn reskins! It's been said that the reskins look better in some cases than the armors they ripped off...but that's not the point. The point is that the armors aren't "new". They're old stuff that's been fiddled around with in photoshop.

Meat Axe...I didn't ask if you would buy a car that could go 240 mph, I said what if you did. IF you were the kind of person to have the money to buy a car based off of its speed....and those people do exist...would you or would you not feel ripped off if that speed was unattainable? It's bragging rights: "I own the fastest proven production car in the world!" Someone comes up to you with a Motor Trend test saying that it's not entirely true...it's virtually impossible to get that specific car to that speed...it was determined based solely on math. YES you would be pissed off and feel jipped.

This is a more realistic, more attainable goal than a 240 mph car. It's cheaper, but it's also easier to create, as well as fix.

Sure, you look at the whole package. What else is in GWEN? Grind. Rehashed dungeons build off of templates. Grind. Higher level enemies that drop low level loot. Short (albeit excellent and well done) storyline. Grind. Some new titles to max (by grinding). Oh wait, can't max them yet because no Hard Mode. Reskins of weapons. HoM that is incomplete at best. Grind.

See a trend here? Compare prices: Nightfall = 1 year old, in-game store it's $50 usd. 2 new character slots, entirely brand new armor sets, 25 heroes, huge explorables, whole new storyline that's as long as prophecies. 2 new professions. Hundreds of new skills that are viable in PvE AND PvP, and are not grind-based (other than sunspear skills...of course..but that number is nowhere near the amount of PvE-only grind-based skills in GWEN.

GWEN: $40 usd. no new character slots. Storyline shorter than Factions, doable in a few hours if you're good. No new professions. One hero for each profession. Elites...from nightfall, uncappable for anyone without Nightfall. No new elites, at all, other than the PvE only blessings.

I've looked at the whole picture, and I see a half-finished money trap, and Anet is laughing at all of us. Sure you may be content with what you got...but judging from the number of rants on this and other boards...alot of people are not content.

It's been said before, time and time again.

What part of expansion don't you understand? Since what game offers a expansion that is equal in content with the original game? Not even Blizzard (easily one of the top tier computer game developers) released expansions like that.

CHunterX · Sep 27, 2007, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

Just wondering...for all of those who feel ripped off.

How many of you were actually planning to get all 40 armours anyway?

Well, I was planning on getting at leastone but 80% of them are reskins.

Mordakai · Sep 27, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

So...let's see here.

Complain about the reskins: check
Complain about the actual number of armor sets: check
say you'll pay MORE MONEY for actual new armor sets: check

WTF is going on here? You people say that Anet took our money and ran, we paid for something and didn't get it, now you propose to pay even MORE to get something we should have already gotten?

/NOTSIGNED for armor pack that I have to pay for.

Anet should do what they should have done: make the dwarven armor a set, and make new designs for Asuran and Monument. Period.

There's no leeway here: we paid for an expansion with 40 sets and got...10. Norn armor. Asuran: we already had. Monument: we already had. I want my 40 sets of armor, plzkthx

And this is why I don't make a whole thread suggesting it.

It will just be filled with posts like this. For the record, yes, I agree Anet did a shoddy job on the armor. But I also recognize that threats of suing and boycotting are not going to get more armor.

The question is: Do you want more armor or not? How badly do you want it?

As far as Anet is concerned, they met their bullet point: There does exist 40 "new" (ie, not identical) pieces of armor in the game. (My box says 40 sets, including individual pieces). The fact the majority are reskins does not apparently concern them.

So, if we're not going to get more armor for free, what's wrong with a little... incentive?